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PrintMsnbc.com why did you buy Newsvine? - Make a profit of course, but does that mean we have to subscribe for this normally free service?
News Type: Opinion — Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:24 AM EDT
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Msn is part of the Microsoft dynasty and Microsoft is a very large corporate organization that has a very strong policy of making large profits. At present the Members of Newsvine have had a wonderful relationship with the executive and staff of newsvine.com. Calvin Tang has gone to great lengths to ensure use that things will not change too much and the development and the policies of Newsvine.com will not change too much other than software enhancement.
But the problem is thought the executives of Newsvine.com have been told that Msnbc want things to remain the same, that is not the normal procedure that Microsoft applies on a takeover or buyout.
One example Hotmail.com, where the executive where informed there would only be slight changes to hotmail after the takeover. Yes the basic services remained free, but new features and old extras have to be paid for. Such as you can not download the pop mail and must use the free service constantly with out a 30 day break or you loose your mail. However if you subscribe for a fee all is well.
So what could Msn do to newsvine.com, perhaps we may have to subscribe to submit articles?
I expect that commenting and seeding will be free?
Will we have to pay for Full membership or to use new enhancements in the near future?
I for one preferred the small company setup in Seattle US, however I congratulate those of the executive that where compensated due to the sell out to Msnbc.com as they had helped to make the vine the success that it is, however what will now be the true policies of Msnbc.com as they have the rights to change the policies to help increase their profits and to reorganize the vine to suit their cooperate aims.
Other sources:
Calvin Tan (founder)
Newsvine Blog:
http://blog.newsvine.com/_news/2007/10/07/1008889-msnbccom-acquires-newsvine
Questions:
1. Will the msnbc.com be in over-all control of Newsvine.com?
2. Will the adminstration still be at the Seatle Office?
What ever I predict that the vine will never be the same as a corporation will introduce their own ideas related to making profits...
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{"commentId":1081220,"authorDomain":"silkmesh"}
Perhaps I am wrong, but Microsoft history tells me that we will be seeing their influence on the vine and it will be a profit related one.
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#1 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:26 AM EDT{"commentId":1083158,"authorDomain":"sphinx"}
Will the adminstration still be at the Seatle Office?
That was answered in one of the articles you yourself linked to.
Nice job there.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1081247,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
There's an important distinction to recognize, MSNBC.com is not a Microsoft property in the same way MSN and Hotmail are. It's an semi-autonomous joint venture between MS and NBC.
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- 7 votes
#2 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:41 AM EDT{"commentId":1081271,"authorDomain":"silkmesh"}
so that means that Microsoft does not have any opinion, you can believe that I don't, it has a stake in MSN and a very big say.
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- 1 vote
#3 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:54 AM EDT{"commentId":1081306,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
It wouldn't make business sense to make newsvine into a pay site, man. The whole premise of newsvine is that users get paid to provide content. It would be ridiculous for them to completely turn that model on its head - they're paying for a functioning system, not to buy newsvine just so they can break it. I think your concern is misplaced.
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- 10 votes
#4 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 1:19 AM EDT{"commentId":1081311,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Not to mention that there's no reason to come to Newsvine if they have to pay when they can just go to another news site (like MSNBC) and not pay. Pay news sites are a failed business model, just ask Salon.com.
{"commentId":1081311,"threadId":"159166","contentId":"1009577","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":1081323,"authorDomain":"mike"}
That is true. Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't a single feature anywhere on msnbc.com that requires subscription or payment. Paid content is dead.
{"commentId":1081323,"threadId":"159166","contentId":"1009577","authorDomain":"mike"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":1081870,"authorDomain":"geofharries"}
Paid content isn't dead. Far from it. If the content you're providing is niche and not available elsewhere, I believe it's wholly appropriate to charge for access.
{"commentId":1081870,"threadId":"159166","contentId":"1009577","authorDomain":"geofharries"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1082239,"authorDomain":"agio"}
Looky here, in Green:
Paid content is dead.
Is that on the record, as a Newsvine employee?
{"commentId":1082239,"threadId":"159166","contentId":"1009577","authorDomain":"agio"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1082346,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
Paid content is dead.
Is that on the record, as a Newsvine employee?
It's a business view from someone who has spent time looking at the environment and developing growth strategies and funding by carefully weighing the viability of all options. Who needs to pay for content?
Specialized service providers with a content rich database will always have a stepped system of an abstract for free and detailed report for fee but there's too much competetion for page views and too much replication of information that no one will grow large in a news niche with paid access, almost common sense in 2007.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1082416,"authorDomain":"agio"}
Suits me fine.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1081452,"authorDomain":"silkmesh"}
hopefully you are right but Microsoft gets right up my nose, they are trying to monopolise the web as they have with PC software. I really hope the vine does not take a downward spiral due to this take over, that the sensible approach by the original executive of the vine administration is not corrupted with money making projects of the new owners MSNBC.com or their puppet masters at MS.
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- 2 votes
#5 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:03 AM EDT{"commentId":1081853,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}
Honestly, Google is more likely to monopolize the web than Microsoft.
To be honest though I think your overemphizing the input Microsoft has on MSNBC.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1083154,"authorDomain":"sphinx"}
Microsoft gets right up my nose
corrupted with money making projects of the new owners MSNBC.com or their puppet masters at MS.
So essentially this "article" is just a hissy fit against Microsoft. Glad to have that clarified.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1081562,"authorDomain":"DrBlockbuster"}
Like the move here (before the war, Crimean!) from 4 quality TV stations to 2,856,546 satellite ones. There's plenty on now .. but nothing worth watching!
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- 1 vote
#6 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:28 AM EDT{"commentId":1081977,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
I doubt it. This isn't JUST Microsoft. It's NBC too.
Oh wait, it's NBC too. Darn ;-).
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- 1 vote
#7 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:57 AM EDT{"commentId":1082827,"authorDomain":"O-K"}
There is one fact.
Before yesterday if there was a dispute Newsvine team made the final decision. Now, while they will still be running day to day operations, MSNBC has the final word.
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- 1 vote
#8 - Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:42 PM EDT{"commentId":1082847,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Do they? Mike D reports to the MSNBC.com CEO. How many Newsvine issues are really going to make it up the chain to him? Any?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1082944,"authorDomain":"O-K"}
On day to day issues few, if any. I was unclear. I meant more along the linnes of if MSNBC decided to change or end the writers profit sharing, then that would be done no matter what Newsvine team thought. Thjey could argue against it but MSNBC has the final word.
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{"commentId":1083162,"authorDomain":"sphinx"}
I meant more along the linnes of if MSNBC decided to change or end the writers profit sharing, then that would be done no matter what Newsvine team thought. Thjey could argue against it but MSNBC has the final word.
Please support this statement.
I'm curious as to where you're getting these "facts."
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1085399,"authorDomain":"O-K"}
The story said MSNBC bought Newsvine. I'm no business law expert but I think that means that MSNBC can make any change they wish.
{"commentId":1085399,"threadId":"159166","contentId":"1009577","authorDomain":"O-K"}
{"commentId":1085761,"authorDomain":"sphinx"}
I'm no business law expert but I think that means that MSNBC can make any change they wish.
So you're guessing.
Newsvine and MSNBC signed a legal agreement that probably (speculation, as well) gives Newsvine a binding legal measure of editorial freedom.
Guesses don't make facts.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1085915,"authorDomain":"O-K"}
Amended to, "I guess it is a fact." I would think the same Newsvine team will continue to have editorial and day to day control. I do think, guess, speculate, that MSNBC will be making changes to make Newsvine more popular and more profitable. OK.
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{"commentId":1084035,"authorDomain":"DrBlockbuster"}
Where are the new members ... ??? Infiltrating slowly?
Stand up and identify yourself ... or as Leslie Crowther used to say on a Saturday night:
Come on down!
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- 1 vote
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